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PsychoDuck wrote:

WJUK wrote:

PsychoDuck wrote:Penny Arcade has played both versions of the games. Here's what they had to say:

"I now own both versions of Devil May Cry 4, and I can tell you that the benefits of the twenty-one minute install are completely irrelevant. I spent over a hundred and twenty dollars to learn this bit of trivia. I love to hear talk online about load times which are "twice as fast" on the Playstation 3. It's very easy to double a small number. If you have two cents, and then you find two more, that doesn't make you a rich man. The reality is that the loads are pretty slick on both platforms, and even spooled from the hard disc the loads are by no means instantaneous. The whole experience has been quite odd. The advantage of the local cache in this case is entirely dismissible, which makes me wonder why they subjected users to it. There's no option to play the game without an install, which I think is telling."

Bullcrap, anyone?

Now that I think about it, 1UP did a comparison before. Turns out the the PS3 loaded about 1 - 2 seconds faster. And the installation is compulsory?!

Yes. Installation = Mandatory.

That's the suckiest thing I have ever heard. Not to mention it's 20 minutes long, most PC games don't even take that long to install!

WJUK wrote:

PsychoDuck wrote:

WJUK wrote:

PsychoDuck wrote:Penny Arcade has played both versions of the games. Here's what they had to say:

"I now own both versions of Devil May Cry 4, and I can tell you that the benefits of the twenty-one minute install are completely irrelevant. I spent over a hundred and twenty dollars to learn this bit of trivia. I love to hear talk online about load times which are "twice as fast" on the Playstation 3. It's very easy to double a small number. If you have two cents, and then you find two more, that doesn't make you a rich man. The reality is that the loads are pretty slick on both platforms, and even spooled from the hard disc the loads are by no means instantaneous. The whole experience has been quite odd. The advantage of the local cache in this case is entirely dismissible, which makes me wonder why they subjected users to it. There's no option to play the game without an install, which I think is telling."

Bullcrap, anyone?

Now that I think about it, 1UP did a comparison before. Turns out the the PS3 loaded about 1 - 2 seconds faster. And the installation is compulsory?!

Yes. Installation = Mandatory.

That's the suckiest thing I have ever heard. Not to mention it's 20 minutes long, most PC games don't even take that long to install!

I know! The entire Orange Box took me about ten or so minutes.

PsychoDuck wrote:

WJUK wrote:

PsychoDuck wrote:

WJUK wrote:

PsychoDuck wrote:Penny Arcade has played both versions of the games. Here's what they had to say:

"I now own both versions of Devil May Cry 4, and I can tell you that the benefits of the twenty-one minute install are completely irrelevant. I spent over a hundred and twenty dollars to learn this bit of trivia. I love to hear talk online about load times which are "twice as fast" on the Playstation 3. It's very easy to double a small number. If you have two cents, and then you find two more, that doesn't make you a rich man. The reality is that the loads are pretty slick on both platforms, and even spooled from the hard disc the loads are by no means instantaneous. The whole experience has been quite odd. The advantage of the local cache in this case is entirely dismissible, which makes me wonder why they subjected users to it. There's no option to play the game without an install, which I think is telling."

Bullcrap, anyone?

Now that I think about it, 1UP did a comparison before. Turns out the the PS3 loaded about 1 - 2 seconds faster. And the installation is compulsory?!

Yes. Installation = Mandatory.

That's the suckiest thing I have ever heard. Not to mention it's 20 minutes long, most PC games don't even take that long to install!

I know! The entire Orange Box took me about ten or so minutes.

Hell, my last game installation (Civ IV and Civ IV: BtS) took less than 10 mins (or thereabouts anyway). And I think there are initiatives to remove installation from PC gaming. The world's just gone crazy...

ryanrab1 wrote:

WJUK wrote:

PsychoDuck wrote:

WJUK wrote:

PsychoDuck wrote:

WJUK wrote:At least it's only a one-time installation. But still, does it seriously have to be 20 minutes...

Someone will have to do a comparison on load times between the 360 and PS3 versions.

I agree. I need to see that Youtubed.

Maybe GT will do something like that. They tend to like doing comparisons.

To the GT-mobile!

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Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Hey Hey Hey, Goodbye!
Oh sorry wrong song!

Great song, Remember the Titans FTW!!

And Yea It is mandatory, so it sucks, I thought it wasn't so I retract my statement then

I think Capcom did they right move. Here is Capcom's response.

http://blog.capcom.com/archives/839
(This guy works for Capcom)

Hey, all. It’s true: the first time you drop your DMC4 Blu-Ray disc into your PS3 tray, you’re going to be treated to an exciting 22 - 25 minute load process as the disc spins a few gigs of data onto your hard drive. While the game is loading, you get to watch a really nifty series of screens that completely catch you up on the DMC4 backstory. Think of it as compressing the last three “seasons” into a single info blast, accompanied by some fantastic DMC artwork. It’s great for those new to the series and also a good refresher to serious fans (you can also check out all these screens again later in the Library mode).

If you don’t want to watch the “Previously, on Devil May Cry…” portion of the install process, go make a sandwich and grab a soda, then come on back. You’re going to be spending some serious time with this game, and we don’t want you going hungry. Low blood sugar will make you dizzy and you’ll need to be focused like an Alan Parsons Project to defeat the enemies in this game.

Wah! The game takes 20 minutes to install the first time. Wah! Have you ever played a PC game? At least we aren’t making you shuffle multiple discs into a ROM drive, or continuously click “Yes!” on a series of endless Windows dialog boxes. Installing on a console may seem like a weird idea, but there’s a real benefit. Unreal Tournament also has an option to install files onto your PS3; I’ve done it and it makes a great game even better.

Once installed — once, mind, not every time you play, as I’ve seen “reported” on certain web sites less interested in facts than in OMG histrionics — the PS3 version of the game has near-Super Nintendo speed load times. You’ll be amazed how fast levels load, the virtually instantaneous transition from cut scenes to action and that you’re continuously playing the game, as opposed to staring at loading screens of a door opening every time you move from one room to the next.

Everyone good? Deep breaths! DMC4 should start hitting North American stores tomorrow. Hope you get a signed copy of the Collector’s Edition!

PS: all DMC4 cut scenes are also instantly skippable, just in case you’re pressed for time. You can always go back later and watch any cut scene you skipped in Theater mode once you’ve beaten the level. Heck, the game will even play all cut scenes in order without pausing, which is sorta like watching a DMC4 CG movie!

ryanrab1 wrote:I think Capcom did they right move. Here is Capcom's response.

http://blog.capcom.com/archives/839
(This guy works for Capcom)

Hey, all. It’s true: the first time you drop your DMC4 Blu-Ray disc into your PS3 tray, you’re going to be treated to an exciting 22 - 25 minute load process as the disc spins a few gigs of data onto your hard drive. While the game is loading, you get to watch a really nifty series of screens that completely catch you up on the DMC4 backstory. Think of it as compressing the last three “seasons” into a single info blast, accompanied by some fantastic DMC artwork. It’s great for those new to the series and also a good refresher to serious fans (you can also check out all these screens again later in the Library mode).

If you don’t want to watch the “Previously, on Devil May Cry…” portion of the install process, go make a sandwich and grab a soda, then come on back. You’re going to be spending some serious time with this game, and we don’t want you going hungry. Low blood sugar will make you dizzy and you’ll need to be focused like an Alan Parsons Project to defeat the enemies in this game.

Wah! The game takes 20 minutes to install the first time. Wah! Have you ever played a PC game? At least we aren’t making you shuffle multiple discs into a ROM drive, or continuously click “Yes!” on a series of endless Windows dialog boxes. Installing on a console may seem like a weird idea, but there’s a real benefit. Unreal Tournament also has an option to install files onto your PS3; I’ve done it and it makes a great game even better.

Once installed — once, mind, not every time you play, as I’ve seen “reported” on certain web sites less interested in facts than in OMG histrionics — the PS3 version of the game has near-Super Nintendo speed load times. You’ll be amazed how fast levels load, the virtually instantaneous transition from cut scenes to action and that you’re continuously playing the game, as opposed to staring at loading screens of a door opening every time you move from one room to the next.

Everyone good? Deep breaths! DMC4 should start hitting North American stores tomorrow. Hope you get a signed copy of the Collector’s Edition!

PS: all DMC4 cut scenes are also instantly skippable, just in case you’re pressed for time. You can always go back later and watch any cut scene you skipped in Theater mode once you’ve beaten the level. Heck, the game will even play all cut scenes in order without pausing, which is sorta like watching a DMC4 CG movie!

I recall this being reported on GN.

They should have done some sort of comparison between the 360 and PS3 version on load times. Oh and about the UT thing, why isn't it optional in DMC4. Just wondering.

Yea, optional it should be... Then no-one would QQ on the forums, (like here )

zapster wrote:Yea, optional it should be... Then no-one would QQ on the forums, (like here )

Hopefully this doesn't become a trend for PS3 games. If it is, I'm not going to pick up a PS3.

It would be awesome if you could just play straight off the PS3 without the disk. Then it would make this installation process worthwhile.

Yea, and you'd need 1TB HDD!!!

I don't think I'll ever get a PS3... Wii60 FTW!

Unless there is an awesome system-seller that's going to be on the PS3 (and it becomes cheaper and has larger library of games) then I don't think I'll get a PS3 either.

Kalava wrote:So, more games joins this party.

5GB? Holy hell.

That's not good.

They've got to sort this out. If not, I'm never going to get a PS3...

I remember going to a live stream of Wii Fit and Haze back-to-back, and during the hour they played haze, 15 minutes was for installing that crap. It was probably the funniest moment in the live stream.

Maybe they have thought the stream through a bit better. And a lot of games are going this route now and I'm not really liking it. Yes, you get faster load times but I can't bare the waiting. What if they could put up a tutorial of sorts while it's downloading? It would help immensely.

Or maybe some dated internet references could pop up to make the installation process a bit more enjoyable.

Well, I have a llot of patience, but 20 mins, that is too much, but if it can keep me entertained, it will be worth the wait on some games.

Since the topic's up again, some info on MGS4/s install...

Initial install is 8 minutes. According to my friend, who's about 9 hours in, after each 'chapter', there's another ~3 minute install. Plus there's still a chunk of initial load time before you actually get into the game (that last bit of loading they give you some decent distractions to keep you entertained).

I don't know if it the subsequent installs -add to- the initial install or not, but if you have to go through 3 minute installs on re-plays, that's rather lame and all review outlets should have called them out on it (since Konami told them not to report on install times for pre-release reviews).

8 minutes is ok. But 3 min installs for each chapter is pushing it slightly.

Why are PS3 games going down this route? I wonder what the load times would be like without the install...

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I think you answered your own question